Jesse Ventura, a former Navy SEAL and the former governor of the state of Minnesota, continued his school bus route as he made a stop on the set of Fox and Friends. Pay particular attention to an early exchange that takes place between Ventura and one of the hosts, Brian Kilmeade. In two different ways, Ventura asks Kilmeade why we don’t torture/waterboard criminals in the United States of America (including Timothy McVeigh, who was a major part of the Oklahoma City federal building bombing)? Both times, Kilmeade ducks the question and changes the subject to try and make it seem as though Ventura is not as interested in keeping us safe. Jesse, however, was not buying Kilmeade’s right-wing garbage.
Here is a transcript from Crooks and Liars:
VENTURA: I have been waterboarded. It is torture. I can speak from experience. It was part of SERE training that I went through as a Navy SEAL.
KILMEADE: And are you OK now?
VENTURA: I’m fine.
KILMEADE: So is Khalid Sheik Mohammed. He’s about 60 pounds overweight, having a great time –
VENTURA: It doesn’t matter. If it was OK, then why don’t we do it to criminals? Like, if we’ve got gang members in L.A., OK? We know that their gangs are gonna do bad things. When we arrest them, why don’t we waterboard them so we can get information out of them? Because it’s against the law.
Hmm, that is a good question. How does the right-winger Kilmeade respond? He changes the subject.
KILMEADE: Do you want us not to be safe from attack?
Ventura was not impressed.
VENTURA: Don’t come after me with that nonsense.
VENTURA: OK, why didn’t we waterboard McVeigh and Nichols, then? There were more people that they thought involved at Oklahoma City. Why weren’t they waterboarded to get more information? Because it’s against the law.
Wait — and if we’re not going to be a country that goes by the rule of law when it’s convenient or not convenient, then what do we stand for?
More good points by Ventura. Kilmeade, of course, ignores the points and goes back to the politics of fear.
KILMEADE: But what about the difference — you bring up Timothy McVeigh and maybe gang members, and maybe those threats weren’t as imminent as the threats –
VENTURA: I don’t think these threats are imminent.
KILMEADE: You didn’t think after 9/11, that America felt threats were imminent, that more could be coming?
VENTURA: Maybe. But I think our behavior has caused us to be in more trouble. Now they won’t release these photos. Why? Because they know the Muslim world will go irate. They’re all after Nancy Pelosi — when did she know? When dah dah dah — Well, if we hadn’t of tortured, it would be a dead issue, wouldn’t it?
The Jesse Ventura School Bus Route … coming to school a conservative hypocrite near you.
Crooks and Liars (I encourage you to read David Neiwert’s blog. It’s good stuff):